tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post225924495824719391..comments2024-03-28T00:18:25.641-07:00Comments on Calafia Beach Pundit: The fatal flaws of ObamacareScott Grannishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14028519647946868684noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-63786356272342453462012-07-03T13:50:30.274-07:002012-07-03T13:50:30.274-07:00I don't like paying expensive medical fees but...I don't like paying expensive medical fees but doctors put in a great deal of work to get their medical license. Spent many years in school, with expensive tuitions, while most of us were out spending our middle class paychecks. Their office equipment is expensive. Hospitals have a huge overhead to keep a clean, state of the art facility, with adequate staff.<br />It may seem over priced butUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03475328193554280966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-79194746434089824202012-07-03T13:43:34.195-07:002012-07-03T13:43:34.195-07:00I don't like paying expensive medical fees but...I don't like paying expensive medical fees but they a great deal of work to get their medical license. Spent many years in school, with expensive tuitions, while most of us were out spending our middle class paychecks. <br />It may seem over priced but most people don't complain when they have to pay for a lawyer. Why does this country feel entitled to free/cheap healthcare? If you wantUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03475328193554280966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-60802744817041658442012-07-01T13:34:41.488-07:002012-07-01T13:34:41.488-07:00"If a government-controlled health care syste..."If a government-controlled health care system like in Germany can provide an appendix surgery 5 times cheaper than the private or whatever controlled US system, then the government-controlled system is vastly more efficient and superior."<br /><br />Nope. Too many variables left out. And nothing in Obamacare creates the environment for future medical procedures will be timely, quality,Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06843411100678811292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-70711635077855555342012-06-30T15:57:26.587-07:002012-06-30T15:57:26.587-07:00Scott Grannis...unfortunately, this ruling does NO...Scott Grannis...unfortunately, this ruling does NOT limit the future use of the Commerce Clause, and does not set any precedent, because it was not the "Opinion of the Court" but only a section of Roberts' convoluted opinion (Part III, A) where he was writing for himself, and not for a majority. He was not joined in that part of the opinion by the other dissenters. That matters Johnny Bee Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06836875640973245734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-69705440981929129712012-06-30T14:44:14.769-07:002012-06-30T14:44:14.769-07:00Txsaddletramp:
This bill has YET to see the "...Txsaddletramp:<br />This bill has YET to see the "light of day." NO ONE got to read this bill before voting on it. Unelected bureaucrats are deciding unilaterally on important rules and applications of its details. <br /><br />It BARELY passed by one vote. It squeaked thru WITHOUT A SINGLE VOTE from the other Party. An unAmerican and shameful abuse of power. Every opinion poll Johnny Bee Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06836875640973245734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-31670636136485922602012-06-29T16:44:32.673-07:002012-06-29T16:44:32.673-07:00I don't know why some people have to follow th...I don't know why some people have to follow their ideology regardless of reality here.<br />If a government-controlled health care system like in Germany can provide an appendix surgery 5 times cheaper than the private or whatever controlled US system, then the government-controlled system is vastly more efficient and superior. Why can't we simply choose the better regardless of who Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17141887720434208291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-67192493971984058692012-06-29T13:56:37.448-07:002012-06-29T13:56:37.448-07:00The escalation of the prices for medical care, suc...The escalation of the prices for medical care, such as the $3000 procedure mentioned, are in large part driven by the costs of litigation and malpractice insurance to deal with it. And note that Obama and the Democrats dug in their heels and did NOTHING in the direction of tort reform, which proves that they do not give a rip about reducing healthcare costs.<br /><br />William said, "You&#Kurthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10367631459218660529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-4198350035841447922012-06-29T12:48:13.459-07:002012-06-29T12:48:13.459-07:00Donny Baseball said...
....My brother, a vascular ...<b>Donny Baseball</b> said...<br />....My brother, a vascular surgeon, used to get $3000 life-saving stuff (bypasses, carotid endorectomy, etc)) for which he now gets $700. So, he's doing three things in response - doing more cosmetic vein work, refusing Medicare patients, and looking for non-medical work, like consulting, to supplement his income."<br /><br />You're brother Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04418491109912775561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-12265569667366399062012-06-29T12:20:06.079-07:002012-06-29T12:20:06.079-07:00"And you are probably doing the greatest serv..."And you are probably doing the greatest service to society possible by bringing a child into the world. Yet instead of thaniing you for it, they make you pay through the nose."<br /><br />Oh, thank you! Thank you soooo much...Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06843411100678811292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-4638365784816105552012-06-29T12:18:28.142-07:002012-06-29T12:18:28.142-07:00"Sure, Obmneycare is flawed, but the problem ..."Sure, Obmneycare is flawed, but the problem it was designed to address (e.g., rising costs driven in part by freeloaders) would remain with or without it..."<br /><br />And so with all the subsidies and taxes on other people built in, where exactly do the freeloaders get their comeuppance? Fact is people with healthcare use it about 2x as much as people without it, so the problem has Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06843411100678811292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-53773315832963540982012-06-29T10:20:59.281-07:002012-06-29T10:20:59.281-07:00Healthcare is more costly in the U.S. because the ...Healthcare is more costly in the U.S. because the medical care system is one big government supported industry government cartel. Providers are not subjected to competition the way other industries are. They are exempt from anti-trust laws. They don’t have to give you a price up front and they can charge you anything they want. They can charge different prices based on who you are, which is Squirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14088030568579672500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-2707044166506910152012-06-29T10:20:13.455-07:002012-06-29T10:20:13.455-07:00Sure, Obmneycare is flawed, but the problem it was...Sure, Obmneycare is flawed, but the problem it was designed to address (e.g., rising costs driven in part by freeloaders) would remain with or without it, and the only meaningful solution Republicans have offered over the last 25 years is the mechanism that forms its underpinnings.<br /><br />If instead of distorting it merely because Obama chose to support it (recall that as recently as 2007, Lawyer in NJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02920739130504981369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-88718999577280889612012-06-29T10:15:45.989-07:002012-06-29T10:15:45.989-07:00The cost of health care in the US is higher partly...The cost of health care in the US is higher partly because we subsidize the cost of R&D for new drugs/procedures that the rest of the world gets for free. You're probably right that if you're realtively healthy it's better to be in a country with socialized medicine but ask those with serious illness where they'd rather be for treatment and I think you'll get a different Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06910619601367464068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-86243726188264805712012-06-29T09:17:20.537-07:002012-06-29T09:17:20.537-07:00Donny Baseball-
The main problem in US health care...Donny Baseball-<br />The main problem in US health care is cost. It is completely insane what the medical complex charges here for a procedures vs. other industrialized countries. Why does an appendix surgery at a US hospital with a US surgeon have to cost 5x as much as in Germany? I mean it's not that appendices in the US are 5x bigger here. I tell you if costs have already come down a bit Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17141887720434208291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-76029654649624196482012-06-29T09:11:08.166-07:002012-06-29T09:11:08.166-07:00I don't know about you guys but I have lived w...I don't know about you guys but I have lived with government health care in Germany for ~30 years and now in the US with employer-sponsored health care for about 10. I would take the public system the way it was in Germany 10 times over this horrendous caricature of "care" in the US. We had one child born in Germany, standard hospital birth and it cost me $200 out of pocket and we Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17141887720434208291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-41284270530703929162012-06-29T06:24:25.700-07:002012-06-29T06:24:25.700-07:00John and William-
Your perscription is a disaster ...John and William-<br />Your perscription is a disaster for medicine. A single payer system (which we already have to a great extent) drives down reimbursements to the level where doctors refuse to perform services. My brother, a vascular surgeon, used to get $3000 life-saving stuff (bypasses, carotid endorectomy, etc)) for which he now gets $700. So, he's doing three things in response - Donny Baseballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08040288585224426073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-80479130336458570332012-06-28T19:45:40.515-07:002012-06-28T19:45:40.515-07:00John said...
"The biggest fatal flaw remains:...<b>John</b> said...<br />"The biggest fatal flaw remains: for-profit medicine. There is a profit motive to over-prescribe and over-treat, which is why it's so expensive. <br /><br />"And, yes, there needs to be some limits on malpractice litigation."<br /><br />As a physician, I second John's remarks. Retired physicians I know (liberal and conservative) agree that only a Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04418491109912775561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-47713937929956995592012-06-28T19:22:44.171-07:002012-06-28T19:22:44.171-07:00Let's see--we need immigration for growth. Res...Let's see--we need immigration for growth. Restricting immigration would be a huge structural impediment. <br /><br />Here is Justice Scalia: <br /><br />"Arizona's entire immigration law should be upheld, Scalia wrote, because it is "entitled" to make its own immigration policy. At one point, he cites the fact that before the Civil War, Southern states could exclude free Benjamin Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14001038338873263877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-67431916571830426142012-06-28T18:27:21.751-07:002012-06-28T18:27:21.751-07:00Romney---who supported Romneycare in Mass?
Meanwh...Romney---who supported Romneycare in Mass?<br /><br />Meanwhile, The SCOTUS has become a joke. It is constitutional to tell wheat farmers exactly how much wheat they can grow, and even outlaw the growing of wheat for personal consumption. <br /><br />Under the Patriot Act (supported by the statists Obama and Bush jr) my government can decide I am a terrorist and then kill me, a US citizen, Benjamin Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14001038338873263877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-9866172180714145042012-06-28T18:25:59.196-07:002012-06-28T18:25:59.196-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Benjamin Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14001038338873263877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-25563679504546544112012-06-28T15:51:28.894-07:002012-06-28T15:51:28.894-07:00What's the alternative to for-profit medicine?...What's the alternative to for-profit medicine? Do you want the State to determine how much Drs should be paid? Wait, that's what Medicare does now and it's why many are leaving the profession. I guess the only alternative will be for the Govt tp force a segment of the population to work as Drs and when it's challenged legally the Supreme Court can simply call it a tax.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06910619601367464068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-91796209976007911032012-06-28T15:03:40.010-07:002012-06-28T15:03:40.010-07:00The biggest fatal flaw remains: for-profit medicin...The biggest fatal flaw remains: for-profit medicine. There is a profit motive to over-prescribe and over-treat, which is why it's so expensive. <br /><br />And, yes, there needs to be some limits on malpractice litigation.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06365403570563730880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-11057021539668461912012-06-28T14:10:49.033-07:002012-06-28T14:10:49.033-07:00Scott,
It passed with a majority and both houses ...Scott,<br /><br />It passed with a majority and both houses of Congress, was signed by the president, and upheld as constitutional by the Supreme Court. I know you don't like it, but it has definitely "seen the light of day." Let's hope its problems are not insurmountable and its worthwhile goals are achieved.txsaddletramphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324771856249015086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-7176777442172639852012-06-28T14:00:50.516-07:002012-06-28T14:00:50.516-07:00Yes, Obamacare has serious flaws. However, my wor...Yes, Obamacare has serious flaws. However, my worry is that utopian/central planning systems and schemes like Obamacare persist for a long time, building up combustibility, and fail catastrophically. All will look well until one day the system implodes, like Europe is today. It is no consolation that ObamaCare will one day self-destruct, that could be years away and in the meantime we all pay Donny Baseballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08040288585224426073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6616959642391988608.post-43786764199071290912012-06-28T13:52:06.845-07:002012-06-28T13:52:06.845-07:00It all depends on how many folks who like "fr...It all depends on how many folks who like "free" stuff vote in November.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06910619601367464068noreply@blogger.com